Warning: big rant ahead.
I taught tonight. I had gotten on the Mr.'s case about not getting nighttime routines going or finished on the nights that I teach, so tonight and last night he stepped up and got the kids going. The Young Prince did NOT, tonight, want his father brushing his teeth. Absolutely not. However, as I had just finished teaching and had proceeded to work on cleaning the kitchen, I decided not to intervene and undermine any authority on his part and just let the screaming continue. La princesita came up to me several times to tell me what was happening, obviously disturbed that her brother could be so adamantly against his father's brushing.
(insert note: Their father has an incredibly rough touch. Perhaps this is one reason I have never, ever, ever felt any pleasure from his touch in the history of when we actually touched in our marriage. I have told him that he brushes the teeth too hard; when the kids cry because it hurts, it is too hard. The kids have complained to me that they prefer me to brush because he does it too hard. I have told him that their mouths are more sensitive, they're children, maybe he should ease up a bit. He maintains that you have to brush hard to get stuff off your teeth. However, even dentists maintain that is absolutely untrue and that, if one brushes too hard one could contribute to gum recession. His father is the dentist; he *should* know that.)
Okay. So the screaming behind the closed door of the bathroom continued, I had finished washing the dishes and closed the kitchen for the night. La princesita came up to me and reported that "Daddy just put The Young Prince in the shower."
"Why?"
"Because he wouldn't rinse and spit."
What?!
So I get myself down there as quickly as possible, knock on the door and open it, and there they are, he had thrown The Young Prince (not 4 years old) into the shower with all of his jammies on and soaked him, since that is what he had threatened him with if he did not rinse and spit his toothpaste.
What?!
So I tell him to get my son out of the shower at this minute, what in the hell do you think you are doing? You give him a time-out, you don't throw him in the shower. That is not an appropriate consequence to his dissent. That makes no sense.
Yes, it does. He doesn't think he has done anything wrong. Then continues to ask if he should yell and scream and hit the children like I do.
WHAT?!
I countered that I have spanked The Young Prince once and only once in his entire life. Once. And that was, what, a year and a half ago? And I am categorized now for life as a "hitter" of my children??? And I have already written about the raising of the voice issue not long ago.
I calmly said that I don't know what has happened, that we used to be on the same page about disciplining our children, and we had agreed on time-outs. Not throwing him in the shower. And he said, "But he didn't rinse out his mouth."
"Well," I said, "if it is that important, put him in his room for time-out and he'll either swallow it or he, being the kind of kid he is, will still end up running to the bathroom and taking care of it himself...he IS capable of doing it himself...since he doesn't like the feel nor the taste for long."
"What, and go back on my word? Should I have yelled and screamed and hit like you do? You know, they get older and they won't respond to yelling anymore. They'll just yell back."
What is this counselor of his feeding him? And what kind of a picture of me has he fed her?
"I don't yell. You come home after I have been Ms. Nice Guy all day. I give them a warning: Third time I don't ask so nicely. You aren't around to see the first nice times. If the classroom is not cleaned up by 6:55 and I have asked them since 3:00 to clean up the classroom, I am going to raise my voice. But I get results. I don't have to do that as much anymore, but you are never around enough to see that." I wanted to tell him: You need to stop making judgments about what used to be and see how far things come. You need to start living in the world the rest of us live in. But I didn't. But I did say, "Your word was wrong. That was an inappropriate consequence for the crime committed."
No, it wasn't. Not in his eyes. All of a sudden I thought I was at a military boot-camp. You don't throw a fully-clothed three-year old in the shower because he's throwing a tantrum because he doesn't want you to brush his teeth. You just don't. But he somehow turned it all around to make me the bad guy because I actually get my children to follow my orders and fall into line and continue with routine. I wanted to say that, perhaps I am gentler and not rougher as you purport. Perhaps they know that I will always follow through. You just started to follow through on discipline, so the Young Prince has somehow learned that, if he throws enough of a tantrum he can get out of things he does not want with you. You can't start off easy and get stricter. Those are Basics 101 of classroom management. He doesn't take you seriously.
But that doesn't merit a fully-clothed dunk in the shower.
I asked him if his father did that to them when he used his belt on them. He glared at me.
This "arrangement" is just not working, it is turning into a power struggle and he doesn't like that I have the power. Yet he won't step up when he has a chance to start to get to know his children. He could spend time on the weekend with them but instead chooses to work on his computer. I almost don't want to separate homes because I fear the children will just be stuck in front of the television when he has custody so that he can continue on in his little world...or that things like what happened tonight will occur when I am not around and there will be no mediating force to calm him.
I had to force a separation between father and son tonight. What is going to happen in 10 years? And how dare he say that I am going to be the cause of teenage strife, when I am the one my children come to when they need to talk or feel listened to, or to be comforted? He deserves to be more a part of their lives, but he needs to take some responsibility, grow up, and put himself there because, if he sits around waiting for them to come around to him, baby, it ain't going to be happening.
jueves, 29 de mayo de 2008
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Mapi,
ResponderEliminarI'm speechless. Really...
What he's doing is abuse. period.
Brushing a child's teeth so hard they cry? And then making that child get into the shower fully clothed because they dont "rinse"?
You SO need to get yourself and your kids away from him.
windy
Mama Llama can't stop crying today, even with all I'm trying to do to make myself feel better. I can't believe it would even cross his mind to throw his dressed child in the shower...and then defend his actions. I have heard of spanking; who hasn't? I was spanked. This, frankly, I have never heard of. Is he mad? That is all I can think.
ResponderEliminarWhat has happened?
I am beside myself.
Oh Sweetness, I'm so sorry. I don't know what to say other than that I'm here for ya. The man seems to have some issues eh? Your a good Mama Llama, follow your heart.
ResponderEliminarAh Mapi. Been there.
ResponderEliminarHugs for you because you're right. It isn't going to get any better.
I worried about what was going on at my ex's when he had custody and was told by a very wise person that I can only control what goes on when I have her.
Since that time, I don't ask what they did. I know she stayed up all hours and I know that she ate mostly junk, but I am primary custodian and she is learning what she needs to know. I'm good with that now. Not asking about what happens eases my mind and doesn't make me look like the inquisitor.
What he did was wrong, but from what you've described he doesn't seem to know much about kids. I'm not saying cut him slack. Sigh.
Being unhappy isn't a good thing for anyone. I hope your day is better today.
I've been told to call Crisis Counseling in DC today. I just don't know if I can...or if this merits "crisis." I don't know. I just want to leave my house today and leave all of this behind. No...better yet, why should I have to leave when the children have their rooms and their things here, I have a business I run out of here, and all he does check in to eat and sleep? He could do that at a hotel.
ResponderEliminarI'm so tired.
Mapi,
ResponderEliminarI don't even know what to say. Can you try to talk to him when the kids are not around? I know it can be threatening to a person to have someone (you) confront him in front of his kids, he could feel it made him look "stupid" or something, which can make them act out even more.
That being said, there is no excuse, and I would have done the exact same thing you did. I'm the momma that is: mess with my kids, and you mess with me.
They are your kids, and you have to step in when you feel it's necessary. You have every right to protect them from behavior you feel is harmful.
I've often thought the same thing about leaving, I can't leave, because then I won't know what's going on when I'm not there, and you know what? That is true. I believe it.
He needs to grow up and get a grip, and you don't need to feel bad for stepping in. It was absolutely wrong of him to put your little boy in the shower like that. You are right, the punishment does not fit the crime, not only that, he needs to remember, who is the child, who is the parent. How is the child going to learn how to act in a situation like that if the parent does what your husband did.
If you feel this is a crisis, then it is. Don't let your feelings go unwarrented. This is a crisis situation for you.
You do what you need to do, don't worry about him, just worry about you and your kids.
Peace, and as you always tell me,
You be well Mapi...
Grow up, I agree. I have been trying hard to give benefits of doubt, trying to understand where he is coming from, etc. I can see his parents never conflicted--or at least, in front of their children. That has created an ideal in my husband's mind that couples do not fight and you never raise your voice. Ever. Voices were never raised in his house...but Daddy had a belt and used it, from what I hear.
ResponderEliminarSigh. Whatever. He's not coming back until late, and I'm taking the kids out so I really don't care.
You make some good points above.
ResponderEliminarHowever, I also think that this can be helpful to you:
Go to: http://www.panix.com/~pro-ed/
If you get this book and video: PREVENTING Classroom Discipline Problems, [they are in many libraries, so you don't have to buy them] email me and I can refer you to the sections of the book and the video [that demonstrates the effective vs. the ineffective teacher] that can help you.
[I also teach an online course on these issues that may be helpful to you at:
www.ClassroomManagementOnline.com ]
If you cannot get the book or video, email me and I will try to help.
Best regards,
Howard
Howard Seeman, Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus,
City Univ. of New York
You around Mama Llama ? email me @ bpcrane@comcast.net
ResponderEliminarThank you Professor: I have no issues with classroom management; I have had to manage classes of 40 junior high students when in Japan and learned very quickly at the beginning of my teaching career how to effectively manage classrooms.
ResponderEliminarOk, Brad--I'll drop you a line!
Doing better today, although still vexed and not trusting.
mapi- My heart goes out to you my dear. I'm sure the wisest course will become evident over the next few days and weeks.
ResponderEliminar