domingo, 3 de agosto de 2008

I don't really know how..

So we talked. As he looked at me with the "HUH?" look when I asked him tonight if he was taking the kids tomorrow as his day, I told him this is not working.

Of course, in the flow of the rather one-sided conversation we had, which included me telling him that my mother offered to sell me her house but that I don't feel that is fair to him or to the kids, we still cannot come to the conclusion to separate residences because, frankly, neither of us can afford to do so where we live. We just don't have the resources. So I said that we need to lay some ground rules, with an end focus on being separate residences. He agreed.

I said that, when he does not have responsibility of the children, that he may come and go as he pleases without "checking in" with me; in the case I were to need to contact him in an emergency, I have his cell number. Likewise, I said, I expect the same respect. I told him I want to be as liberal as possible regarding allowing him time with the children, that I don't want to be regarded as the "gatekeeper." That's not healthy for any of us. However, I can't have him expecting to have the kids at a moment's notice without a bit of previous notice. Thanks to considerations expressed over at Dad's House, I have made sure he is on every email list regarding children's schools and activities. I told him I cannot be held responsible for remembering every single detail, then held at fault if I forget something. He and I need to communicate regarding PTA, sports, and other events, which he would like to attend and which I would--and that I would be flexible if his work won't permit something in which he had previously expressed interest. Conversely, I told him that I respect his need to NOT have the children every waking minute he is not at work, and that we need to communicate regarding "off" time as well. We all need down/alone time--including me--and I need him to express to me, weekly, when he plans to take his down time vs. when he wants to have the children.

While living under the same roof, this is hard. I told him I don't feel this is good for the kids because they can't perceive well the separation we are trying to impose. But I told him that little things need to change to help this in their minds: for example, when he has them, that he is in charge of fulfilling their needs, that I am simply "not accessible". For a time, perhaps, I need to leave the house while he has his "days" with them if they are at home. But we ought to ensure that there is no confusion in their minds as to who is taking care of them that day--and maybe we need to tell them explicitly each day so that they know.

I told him I have no desire to ban him from activities that I do with the kids. If I'm coaching softball, he can certainly come to watch La Princesita play. He needs to be as involved as possible in their lives, whether or not I am involved in any given activity. I need to work on being more civil and less evasive. We need to sit down once a week and write down on the calendar who is with the kids when. Period. Like business. And consider it good practice and working toward two separate families.

So that is the gist of tonight's conversation, perhaps the most we have spoken in a good six months. I have a pain in my chest--must be stress. It is stressful having to always be the one to talk. I told him that he needs to tell me when he has something to arrange with me, and we can go to the dining room or kitchen ("neutral" areas) and talk about it. I could use a shot of something strong about now.

I also recommended the book (another Dad's House plug!) "Mom's House, Dad's House" to him for reading. I am reading it now, taking it little by little and letting ideas digest--it's not the kind of reading you can simply devour in a day like a novel. I think that being on somewhat of the same page will benefit us both and the children the most.

Most importantly, I told him I am willing to work to do whatever to make this as easy on all of us as possible. Will it be easy? Hell, no. Do I think I can make this work? Hopefully, it won't be all "me" but a "we" that will make this arrangement work for now...and better than before. I don't know, but at least it is out in the open that I think we need to separate residences as soon as financially possible.

12 comentarios:

  1. good. i'm glad it's done and i'm glad you've slept.

    now keep sleeping!

    Oh and there's red wine at my place... eleanor has the key if mom's not home. I'd hate for it to go bad before Ron gets back...

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  2. I know that after I've had an important conversation like that, I feel a whole lot better. It doesn't make getting there any easier.

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  3. Wow, you sounded really strong and decisive, which is good. I admire the groundwork for separation that you've laid. My wife and I lived in the same house for 10 months after we decided to divorce. It's not easy. Being straightforward like you are doing is key.

    Be strong. Be well.

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  4. You've had a lot going on since I've been online. Strength to you.

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  5. She-ra, I was up waaaay too early this morning, so I waited for the sun to catch up to me, and then got my butt out to the garden and weeded the hell out of it for two hours, until my hands were raw...even with gloves on. But man, there is NOTHING like garden therapy.

    Arial Ray, I do feel better today, and have even been more civil and yet continued to communicate a few other things that I have to say. I know how to be diplomatic--like telling someone to go to hell and having them look forward to the trip.

    Dads, I hate to admit this but (gulp) your blog has helped me so much to find some power to make changes that I really need to make. I understand what you write, admire how attached yet detached you are and the humor with which you choose to view Life and all its variations. You and some of your readers offer good, solid suggestions and I do, really, appreciate your list of books. Can I say this isn't scary? No. But I feel like I have another ally, or at the very least SOMEONE in life who has been through the same thing I am going through, and looking from the male's perspective, and that actually helps. So thank you for checking in on me, thank you for your thoughts and I always appreciate your guidance/advice.

    Z, I feel like things have turned upside down and all around this past week. Back on two feet today and feeling much better. Life just happens sometimes, doesn't it?

    Be well, all. And thanks--I don't feel quite so alone.

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  6. I'm glad you shared the 'road map' with him. He needs to get on board. If I only had a magic wand and fix everything. How fun would that be ?

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  7. Good for you - a very sane approach. The downtime issue is an important one, too - one many newly separated couples over-look. It may take some time to transition into it, and getting out of the house when you are "off duty" would probably make it happen a little more quickly.

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  8. I agree with citizen..

    My ex wife and I lived under the same roof for over 6 months. It was one of the most stressful times of my life. The only thing that kept me sane was getting away and being alone. Unfortunately, I didn't get enough of it and it did have bad effects.

    Please make sure that you are scheduling that time. Its super important for your mental and physical health. I actually thought I had developed a heart problem during the final months in the house together. My doctor even had me wear a Holter monitor, and get a doppler done just to make sure. So trust me on this one...

    It sounds like you are moving in the right direction Mapi. It's not a pleasant or easy one to say the least. But It is the most healty one given the situation.

    Stay strong, and remember that this isn't forever, just for now. It will get better.

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  9. Brad, sounds like you could potentially take over the world with that one. (muah hah hah!)

    Citizen, Windy: although I didn't leave as soon as I wanted as I had work to complete, I did spend the afternoon out, had lunch with a girlfriend, and did some garden shopping. Then had a glass of wine out on the porch, sat and just watched the world go by for a while. I am self-disciplined enough to know to schedule in me-time...ESPECIALLY being self-employed, I know how hard life can get when I don't give myself any days off at all. And if I don't feel like I get enough down time, I lobby for another trip. Sometimes I have to leave the country just to get the me-time I know I need. (grin--great excuse, ¿no?)

    Be well, all.

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  10. Wow...I'm completely stunned you had the nerve to have the "talk". I'm so proud of you!

    I wish I could take you out for a few shots and a good cry. You inspire me Mamma Llama!

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  11. Actually, OC...it's a talk we have had before. This time we need to act more on it, make the separation much more explicit and knowingly be working toward this as a common goal. It was so much easier this time, however, in that I went total-business. No emotion on my part at all; matter-of-fact and well-spoken. But I have a gift of being able to measure my words in a calm situation and speak diplomatically and well. I can't say I don't rehearse in the shower...

    A couple shots and some nice conversation would be absolutely lovely. I love and always treasure my girls' dates.

    Be well, OC.

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  12. Wow! I don't know how you're able to do this!

    I only just came upon your blog today. You're still living with the ex? I did that for 3 months after we decided to divorce. It was so tough for me until, thankfully, his brother offered him a place to live.

    The big house finally sold in February and I was able to get my own place. The ex still lives with his brother. Whew!

    My heart goes out to you. I know how hard this is on you. And yes, the stress can take its toll.

    Sounds like the ground rules should help. Good luck! I'll be reading.

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